As the misguided groups of Muslims find the truth prevailing and the
word of God spreading despite all their attempts to fight the truth, they
found it necessary for them to start spreading lies as their last hope in
fighting the spread of the True Islam (Submission). Several web sites on
the Internet sponsored by these misguided groups have posted these lies and
copied each other in an attempt to confuse those who will run into the truth.
We will post here a reply to some of those posts that we came across
while surfing the Internet or have seen on Islamic Bulletin Boards.
We need to remind the reader however to verify the truth as God commanded
us in the Quran and never accept any information including ours without
verification.
[49:6] O you who believe, if a wicked person brings any news to you, you
shall first investigate, lest you commit injustice towards some people, out
of ignorance, then become sorry and remorseful for what you have done.
[17:36] You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for
yourself.I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you
are responsible for using them.
This is a reply to a group of lies posted on some Islamic boards by an
ex-catholic turned Muhammedan.
Mr. J.Mc., has proved over and over that he failed to understand the message
of Islam (Submission in English) as presented to us by our beloved prophet
Muhammed. He left a corrupted religion and adopted a corrupted version of
Islam as we can see from his views.
Throughout his posts he could not support his statements with any truth and
failed miserably to use the Quran to prove any of his points.
<< If you need something extra-ordinary you are
looking for magic-- not faith, and certainly not *iman* which does not even
mean "faith" as we use it in English. How blind such people are to miss the
miraculous of the ordinary! >>
Mr Mc. failed twice in this remark. First he failed to realize that
God sends his messengers with miracles and that is God’s decision, not
Mr Mauliffe’s. Noah had his miracles, Abraham had his miracles, Moses
had his miracles, Jesus had his miracles…etc. At least we agree that
God KNOWS better than Mr. Mc. Second, our universe is full of signs and miracles
for those who believe in a god, the ONE GOD. Hindus, Christians and Jews
believe in God but do they believe in the Quran ?! If God chose to support
His FINAL message with a proof, who can say NO.
See our fle at;
http://www.submission.org/miracle/
<< "Signs" and the asking for signs have NEVER
been within the behavioral repretoire of a believer. As Prophet Jesus said:
only an evil generation seeks a sign.>>
What a lie and a shame. Abraham, the prophet who was already a believer asked
God to show him how He (God) revived the dead. God asked Abraham, Are not
you a believer yet ? Abraham answered, Yes, BUT I need more assurance. The
disciples of Jesus according to the Quran asked for a fiest from the sky
as a proof.
If you read your Quran you would have known that God volunteered to give
us the signs and miracles all around us. It is a shame that you did not even
use your head to think of the Quran and how many times God said he provided
"Ayas" "Signs" or "proofs" for the people. Here is some Quranic evidence
to ponder about;
(1) God sends messengers with PROOFS. e.g. 64:6; 57:25; 40:22, 50, 83 ; 35:25;
10:13; 9:70; 7:101; 5:32; 3:183,184.
(2) ONLY the Believers can appreciate or see these proofs. 2:118
(3) The disbelievers do NOT see or appreciate any kind of proofs, 6:4, 25,
35;2:145; 7:132, 146; 10:96-97; 30:58; 36:46; 37:14; 54:2
GOD is so Merciful that when He presented Himself to the people and asked
them to believe in Him, He PRESENTED HIS OWN PROOFS. On calling on the people
to believe in Him, God did not just ask the people to hope for the best,
or ONLY ask for guidance or never to ask for a proof. God presented Himself
with the proofs. God is so Merciful, He knows that the human being, to whom
he gave a brain and held responsible, needs a proof and He gave it to him/her.
SEE; 2:164; 3:190; 6:46, 99; 7:26; 57, 58; 10:5-6, 67; 13:2-4; 16:9-16; 16:78-81;
20:53-54; 20:128; 27:86; 30:19-27; 45:5, 13; 57:17; 27:93; 30:20-25; 30:46;
31:31; 40:13; 40:81; 41:37-39; 42:29-32; 21:32;
And even when the human beings asked for more proofs He gave them more. He
did not make fun of them but increased their responsibility. e.g. 5:112,7:143;
2:260; 17:101; 2:67-73; 2:60
<<Complete and total rejection of
sunnah.>>
Another lie. Submitters (Muslims in Arabic) follow the ONLY SUNNA they find
in the Quran. The Sunna of God. The Sunna of the prophet Muhammed had been
ONLY the Quran, What Muhammedans like Mr Mc. are following are innovations
alleged to be the sunna of the prophet Muhammed. The prophet Lived, ruled,
preached the Quran. When he died he left behind ONLY one book, the Quran.
NO hadiths books , no interpretation of the Quran by Muhammed, NO Sunna books,
NOTHING BUT THE QURAN.
<<To deny that we follow a sunnah is insanity.
The question then becomes *who's* sunnah, who's pattern, who's example do
you follow?>>
For the submitters (Muslims in Arabic) it is the QURAN ALONE. To see why
the TRUE Muslims (Submitters) should be following the Quran alone check our
file at;
..\quran\dozenreasons.html
Or read the best selling book, Quran, Hadiths and Islam by Dr. Khalifa at;
http://www.submission.org/qhi.html
<<The absurdity of the Khalifite position should
be clear from the above. It is even worse because they specifically reject
the sunnah of Muhammad, >>
Another lie by Mr Mc., The submitters (Muslims in Arabic) do not reject the
Sunna of Muhammed, as his sunna is the Quran, the whole Quran and NOTHING
but the Quran. What did Muhamed leave for us when he died ? ONLY
the Quran. He left no Hadiths or sunna books and his missin was complete.
It is the Muhammedans like Mr Mc. who are following false innovations written
200 years after the death of the prophet and claim it to be his sunna. WE
ARE PROUD to be the true followers of the prophet Muhammed, we are doing
just like him, follow the Quran ALONE.
.<< What is the sunnah of
Muhammad?>>
The Quran. Read this article on our web site to see how Muhammed lived,
preached and ruled;
..\quran\rulling with
Quran.html
<<This is what Khalifites are doing with the sunnah, or more precisely,
they are taking people's imperfect understanding and application of the sunnah
as a basis for condemning the whole thing.>>
Another lie by Mr Mc. We do not CARE what the people think or do, we care
about what God says in the Quran.
"We sent down to you THIS BOOK truthfully, confirming all previous scriptures,
and superseding them. You shall judge among them according to what is sent
down from God (this book), and do not follow their wishes if they deviate
from the truth.... You shall judge among them according to what is send down
from God (this book); do not follow their wishes, and BEWARE lest they divert
you from that which is sent down to you from God (this book).... Would they
seek the laws of ignorance? WHO IS BETTER THAN GOD as a law-maker, for those
who sincerely believe?" (Quran 5:48-50)
<<Undoubtedly, for some Muslims today, there
*is* idolization of Muhammad. There is a truth here... and
imperfection.>>
This is the ONLY correct statement in Mr Mc’s post. Probably by accident
or to try to look fair in his judgement when he is not.
<<They may say they are arguing from Qur'an,
but this is not true as they misinterpret Qur'an. They use both arguments:
actual imperfect practice as well as misinterpretation of Qur'an. See
below.)>>
More lies by Mr Mc. WE DO NOT INTERPRET the Quran. We present the Quran as
it is, clear and obvious for the seers. If you do not see it, I cannot make
you. If you have any proof of this claimed misinterpretation in any of the
verses we quote you, you have the chance to show it to us and to everybody.
<<The Khalifites maintain that the Qur'an is
"fully detailed" in its religious guidelines and they maintain that translation
is irrelevant to understanding. >>
We do not and cannot make this claim on our own, God does. God is teaching
us that the Quran is COMPLETE, PERFECT and FULLY detailed.
"The day will come when we will raise from every community a witness from
among them, and bring you as the witness of these people. We have revealed
to you this book to provide EXPLANATIONS FOR EVERYTHING, and guidance, and
mercy and good news for the submitters." 16:89
"In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess
intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all
previous scriptures,provides the DETAILS of EVERYTHING, and is a beacon
and mercy for those who BELIEVE." 12:111
<<. BUT, if we mean, like the Khalifites, that it provides such detail
such that there is no need for explication, interpretation, or the use of
analogies to apply Qur'anic guidelines to particular situations, then we
are clearly into the realm of absurdities, as we shall see.>>
More lies by Mr Mc. Quran is a general guide book, as long as you do not
get out of its theme with your explanation, interpretation or innovation
then you would be fine. But to claim for example that the sun sets because
it lies under God’s throne till the next morning, as Hadiths books teach,
is a GROSS LIE and UNACCEPTABLE.
<< if we mean, like the Khalifites, that we can
understand all nuance, all subtlety, all shades of meaning and connotation
in a translation of the Qur'an than we are clearly outside the bounds of
reason. No language translates cleanly and clearly into another, and this
may be even more so for Arabic which is noted by all for its subtlety and
shades of nuanced meaning. (And of course, it is in denial of the Qur'an
itself which is self-described as an "*Arabic*
Recitation".)>>
More lies by Mr Mc. We ONLY use the Quran to respond to these lies. Quran
tells us that God is the teacher of the Quran 55:1-2 and He is the ONE to
explain it, see 75:16-19. Therefore language is irrelevant. See
41:44 A chinese Muslim is not any less guided because he does
not speak Arabic than an Arab, if God is the teacher. Many Arabs know less
of the Quran than other Muslims who speak a different language
than the language of the Quran.
<<The Qur'an provides very few "details" of the
Muslim lifestyle. It provides many generalities. This is clear even in
translation. To deny it is an almost insane rejection of
reality.>>
You still failed to understand what God said when He reminds us that , Had
He willed he could have given us billions of books that the oceans would
not be enough ink for His words. God gave us what we need for our salvation
in ONE book, the Quran, Had He willed He could have mad it four Qurans instead
of Bukhary, Moslem, Malik, Nesaay…etc. All the details you ask
about are not of ANY CONCERN to God. This is what the innovated books are
written for . That is where the idol-worship comes from. YOU ARE NOT HAPPY
WITH THE QURAN ALONE and GOD TAKES IT AWAY FROM YOU. YOU WOULD NOT UNDERSTAND
IT. That is what happened with the Jews, they were not happy wiht the words
of God in the Torah, so they added thier books of Hadiths and Sunna (Mishna
and Gemarrah), the Talmud.
<<. So, even the details in the Qur'an are not
"details" as used by the Khalifites!>>
How about details as far as God concerns. When God says "DETAILS of everything
", as in 12:111, what do you think God means ? Does He mean 25%
detailed, 50% detaield or 100% detailed ?
Do not worry about what people think, worry about what God says in the Quran.
You are not fighting whom you call Khalifites, you are fighting God and you
know who will be the loser.
<<In the rejection of sunnah they are, in essence
rejecting history and memory. It is through history and memory that people
know who or what they are-- it is essential for human
self-definition.>>
More lies by Mr. Mc. Submitters (Muslims in Arabic) accept hadith and sunna
as a source of history but not as a source of religious law. The law is well
established in the Quran. History is full of corruption and that is exactly
what happened to the Hadiths and Sunna as you know them today.
<<The interpretation of the Qur'an, even in
translation, ALWAYS begins with the sunnah, but does not necessarily END
with the sunnah. >>
More big lies. Quran does not need the sunna or hadiths for interpretation.
Please read our article on this topic at;
http://www.submission.org/hadith/bhadith.html
<< Muhammad, as the messenger of God bringing
the Qur'anic revelation to us, it is reasonable to conclude, best understood
(properly interpreted) the Qur'an.>>
Muhammed understood the Quran as relevant to his time but he never
interpreted the Quran as he left no books when he died except the Quran.
The Quran teaches us that the ONLY DUTY of the messenger was to deliver the
message (Quran). Muhammed did not interpret the Quran. There is NO book called
interpretation of the Quran by Muhammed. When he died he left ONLY ONE
book, the Quran
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