We received these comments/questions
from minister Bratner and we answered him. His questions and comments are
colored blue.
"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks
you to give the reason for the
hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect."
Bible, 1 Peter 3:15
"You shall invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and
kind enlightenment, and debate
with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed
from His path,
and He knows best who are the guided ones."
[Quran 16:125]
Peace be upon you minister Bratner!
<< I've been studying up on some of the theories
that are taught within the quran; and after much thought and parallel of
the true scriptures, that's exactly how it will remain, a theory. As most
scientific theories have been changed or out and out discredited, the quran
will as well. >>
Have you had a chance to study the mathematical composition of the Quran
yet. If not, we would like to invite you to research this miraculous code
through the material on our web-site:
http://www.submission.org/miracle/
"And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make
you free." The Injil, John
8:32
<<….allow me to share a life changing
event that this "pagan", as you refer to me as, has experienced. It involved
the life of my son at birth. Given little to no hope to survive, it was Jehovah
God I prayed to, the God of the trinity you deny. I sealed my prayer in the
name of His precious Son, Jesus Christ, and again, it is He you deny as part
of the Godhead. If, when I prayed, Jehovah God didn't answer my prayer, then
who did? Was it Jesus? Please tell me. >>
We are sorry to hear about what must have been a painful experience with
your son. It is apparent that your son was predestined to live. It is only
natural that we would like to think that Our prayers can change the destiny
of others, as we would then be able to control things, but this is not the
case. As we learn from the scriptures, our destinies are predetermined by
the Almighty, the Most Wise. There are many good Christians and Muslims that
pray to God to let their children live, yet their children die. One such
example we can both relate to is when Noah implored God on behalf of his
son during the flood. These good Christians and Muslims knows that it was
not God's will that this soul continue on this earth. What is it that the
Bible says about those that die young?
<< I am curious of one thing; when you die,
if you do not accept Jesus, who do you think will be worthy enough to God
to be your mediator? >>
We believe, as the First Commandment in all the scriptures tell us, that
only God should be our God. This is also what Jesus preached "you shall worship
my Father and your Father, my God and your God." Jesus made very clear that
he had no power to decide the destiny of any human being. Remember the verses
about the lady imploring Jesus on behalf of her sons?
<< Do you seriously believe being a martyr,
taking the life of others in the process which is a strong sentiment throughout
the quran, is acceptable practice to God? >>
We do not in any way support the unjust killing of another human being. God
made life sacred. Throughout the Quran we are taught that God does not love
those who aggress and those who oppress others. We completely reject the
Satanic practice of suicide bombing and equivalent. These practices are not
in any way based on the Quranic teachings. God condemns such behavior. Here
is a sample of what the Quran teaches regarding this matter.
[6:151] Say, "Come let me tell you what your Lord has really prohibited for
you: You shall not set up idols besides Him. You shall honor your parents.
You shall not kill your children from fear of poverty - we provide for you
and for them. You shall not commit gross sins, obvious or hidden. You shall
not kill - GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. These
are His commandments to you, that you may understand."
[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but
do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.
[4:90]...if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you
peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight them.
[4:29] O you who believe...You shall not kill yourselves. GOD is Merciful
towards you.
[5:32] Because of this, we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone
who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes,
it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life,
it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people. Our messengers went
to them with clear proofs and revelations, but most of them, after all this,
are still transgressing.
<< If, as you claim, Jesus was a mediator
from God, why did He not partake in this behavior? Why wasn't His teachings
as yours, if He came from God as you say? >>
When you say "as yours" we are suspecting that you are referring to other
sources besides the Quran. The Quran preaches tolerance and peaceful behavior
for the believers. There are however sources which have been falsely attributed
to Islam, called Hadith and Sunna, which most so-called Muslims follow. It
is in these sources that these misguided 'Muslims' find support for their
acts of terror and injustices against other human beings.
We have an excellent translation of the Quran available for downloading for
free from the following page:
http://www.submission.org/quran/WinQT.html
<< Your very book contradicts itself. For
this reason, I will be even more convinced that islam/quran is nothing more
than a device of hell. >>
One thing the Quran is that it does not contain one single contradiction.
If it did, we would have reason to doubt it, as God would never contradict
Himself. We will be very happy to answer for any claim of contradiction in
the Quran as we did in the past.
<< You feel you are persecuted for your faith,
but you haven't experienced any kind of persecution like you will receive
after your death if you die with this false teaching as your creed. You are
nothing more than an enemy to God. >>
We appreciate the reminder of why we must be so careful with what we attribute
to God Almighty, Who holds our eternal destiny in His hands. We believe God's
promise in the Quran, that anyone who believes in Him, believes in the Last
Day, and leads a righteous life, will be saved. In His promise we find solace
and hope.
[Quran 2:62] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians,
and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the
Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from
their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.
[2:136] Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in
what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs;
and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their
Lord. We make no distinction among any of them.To Him alone we are submitters."
<< One day we will all stand in front of God,
the one you deny, and we will have to give an answer to one question, "whose
paid the price for your entrance into heaven?" Where will the teachings of
quran/hell be then? >>
We are curious to learn from where you got this idea/information, about the
one question you say we must answer: "whose paid the price for your entrance
into heaven?" We have never seen this question cited in any of the scriptures?
<< Allow me to inform you. With satan, the father
of all that receive the lies taught within the quran and many other false
religions that the devil has guided into all darkness. >>
As we learn from the New Testament, as Jesus warned us of, and as the many,
many different sects within Judaism, Christianity and Islam shows, there
are many people who Claim to preach/represent the scriptures when in fact
they only preach and represent their personal opinions about God.
We are people who have abandoned personal opinions about God's message and
make it our business that whatever we attribute to God we have support for
in His words. As it turns out, God has provided a solid proof for those words
sent to our generation and to generations to come - the mathematical miracle
of the Quran. This proof confirms every single letter in God's final scripture
to the world, and it also confirms the previous scriptures and miracles.
<< Unlike your false teaching, God still bought
and paid for your admission into heaven by the witnessed death and resurrection
of Jesus Christ by multitudes; all it takes is simple faith in Him.
>>
We have no doubt that Jesus was sent as a sign for the whole world, and that
he spoke the Word of God and nothing else to the people. The Quran testifies
to this and provides more details about his mission beyond that which is
in the Bible. We do have a solid proof however of the fact that the picture
of Jesus as presented by many, and many of the words attributed to him, are
in fact lies and innovations unjustly attributed to him. Many outstanding
Christian scholars who have come to the same conclusion:
http://www.westarinstitute.org
<< Unlike your religion, peace is a teaching
of the bible. Yet, the quran and her followers, degrade a righteous, holy
God, and all the while feel they will not suffer damnation. That, my friend
is the real crime; that you could be so foolishly deceived. I do not wish
to compare the two, for to do so is to violate the holiness of the Words
of God, but it is my desire to tell whosoever will, God loves them and will
save them before it is entirely too late. >>
If your sincere wish is to help us 'see the light', perhaps it would be more
constructive on your part to exactly point out What in their belief, What
in their scripture that is So wrong to deserve such a description. What decrees
in the Quran are so bad that you feel the need to throw such emotions of
disgust our way?
<< You still have time. However, I doubt your
understanding of the end is even remotely close, for the Word says only God
knows. But, if you read this post, there is a God that loves you, died for
you, and still receives "whosoever will". Do not die with this lie embedded
within, you will forever pay the price. ROMANS 5: 8"BUT GOD COMMENDETH HIS
LOVE TOWARD US, IN THAT, WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS, CHRIST DIED FOR US."
This verse is one of a multitude that teach of God's love toward us all.
Get copy. Read it. Paul E. Brantner {minister of the gospel and pastor
of Grace Baptist Church} >>
The only unforgivable offense if maintained until death is the violation
of the first commandment, the commandment Jesus called the greatest commandment:
"There is no god except the One God. You shall worship Him alone. " We are
people who have dedicated our lives and our worship to God alone, the One
and Only God. Somehow we think you already knew that and still feel that
we are condemned if we do not divert our worship from worshipping God alone
and start worshipping Jesus instead, or at least besides God. From this
suggestion, we seek protection in God Almighty, the God of all things, including
Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, and all other prophets and messengers from
God. We believe Jesus when he said "why do you call me good. Only God
is good," and when he said that only God has the authority to decide our
destiny. Jesus lived and died for the message "Worship God alone." Yet, the
majority of Christians, just as the Muslims, have fallen into the trap of
idolizing their prophet. This is why we read in the Bible that Jesus will
reject those who call him Lord, just as we read in the Quran that Muhammad
will reject those who followed attributed lies to him.
The key to salvation for any human being is to understand the Oneness of
God.
[112:1] Proclaim, "He is the One and only GOD.
[112:2] "The Absolute GOD.
[112:3] "Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten.
[112:4] "None equals Him."
You call on us to change before it is too late. We call on you to really
study what Jesus taught, directing you to worship Only One God, and never
attribute power to anyone else but Him.
[Quran 3:52] When Jesus sensed their disbelief, he said, "Who are my supporters
towards GOD?" The disciples said, "We are GOD's supporters; we believe in
GOD, and bear witness that we are submitters."
[Quran 3:64] Say, "O followers of the scripture, let us come to a logical
agreement between us and you: that we shall not worship except GOD; that
we never set up any idols besides Him, nor set up any human beings as lords
beside GOD." If they turn away, say, "Bear witness that we are submitters."
Being in the position you are, as a minister and pastor, don't you think
that it would be more beneficial to you and those who consult you, if you
were to be more constructive in your study of the way others are seeking
to please God Almighty, and avoid the trap of judging ALL that call themselves
Muslim the same way. Would you be comfortable to be held accountable for
all opinions and all behaviors of those who call themselves 'Christian'?
There are enough people spreading hatred and driving wedges among the believers
of One God, and enough people repeating misconceptions and lies about each
other without proper research first.
We think it will benefit all much more, and please God more, if we seek to
focus on what we have in common instead of what we don't, and seek to be
tolerant and peaceful towards each other instead.
Peace and God bless you!
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